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More Counter-Arguments to Christian Theist Arguments - by John Prytz

Theists in general and Christians in particular have putforth dozens of arguments and written thousands of books as to why God exists,why Jesus was resurrected, why the Bible is a true account of God’s word anddivine plan, and so on and so on. Atheists don’t believe a word of this but ofnecessity have to put up some counter arguments. Here's another round ofarguments atheists can use against theists when you ask them what they believeand why, or they ask you why you don't, and why.


God's Existence: While it might not be possible to proveabsolutely that God doesn't exist, one can certainly put a massive dent intothe probability that God exists. As examples...


*Just saying that God exists (without any supportinghardcore independently verifiable evidence) doesn't make it so.


*No up-close-and-personal encounters with God in theBible (Adam & Eve, Cain & Abel; Noah; Moses; Jonah, etc.) can beindependently verified by any historian or by any other historical recording.In fact no person who related an up-close-and-personal encounter with God canthemselves be historically verified as ever actually existing. If Adam and Evenever existed then their encounter with God never happened.


*All images of God are human constructions. They are allman-made, none of which are based on any eye witness testimony. There are nophotographs of God; no sound recordings either.


*If God were the only deity ever conceived of that wouldbe one thing, but God is just one of literally thousands of supernaturaldeities all equally conceived of and worshipped by humans as intelligent as thehumans who invented and worship the concept of God.


*Just saying that the Universe had a beginning andtherefore there must have been a cause that caused that beginning does not leadof necessity to the conclusion that therefore God done it. Alternativeexplanations do exist.


*God's hometown, Heaven, is conspicuous by itsgeographical / terrestrial or astronomical / extraterrestrial absence. Heavenseems to have all of the actual reality of Alice's "Wonderland". 


*"In God We Trust" printed on American currencyor as America's motto (a relatively recent addition within American culture inany event) is in no way actual evidence for God's existence as is the use ofthe word "Creator" in America's Declaration of Independence.


*In any text that mentions "God", justsubstitute the word "Pixie" or "Pixies" for God and thetext will still make perfect rational sense. It's just substituting the name ofone imaginary entity for another.


*If God actually exists, you would expect some kind ofhardcore, non-disputable evidence, readily accessible and available to all. Itwould be the kind of evidence that God and only God - not a false god - couldhave produced, accomplished or enacted. There is no such evidence. If therewas, the debate over God's existence would have been concluded long, longago. 


*God is NOT the default position on any issue.


Jesus: The character of Jesus is not acceptable as partof the other two major Abrahamic religions. The vast majority of otherreligions - Jesus who? So much for the alleged massive evidence for theexistence of a supernatural Jesus.  


Jesus 2: Using rational logical reasoning to justify theassertion that Jesus existed, one could just as easily use that same rationallogical reasoning process to justify or even prove the assertion that SherlockHolmes existed. We ‘know’ what they said. We ‘know’ what they did. They bothappear in an actual book (or in the case of S.H. – books). Both have appearedin films and plays and both have been quoted extensively. They both appear inactual well established historical settings and both perform outstanding featswithin their own areas of expertise.  


Morality: According to theists, morality is derived fromGod. While there are many . higher animals (mammals and birds) of whichnumerous examples could be cited. Animals who have absolutely no knowledge ofGod. Perhaps morality is purely an emergent complex form of biologicalevolution. 


The Invisible Wind: When atheists challenge theists toactually show them their God - which they of course can't actually do - theistsoften tend to reply that atheists can't see the wind yet believe in the wind'sexistence. That argument is bogus and total nonsense. You can see the wind.Wind is just the molecules that collectively comprise the air that are inmotion. If any of these molecules happen to be visible, like water molecules inthe form of water vapor that's condensed into actual clouds, then you can seethe wind. In any event, sight is just one of the five senses. You can of coursefeel the wind and hear the wind and some air molecules, like ozone, have anodor that you can smell. The air is also composed of many pollutants which arevisible and have odors and they too are detectable since they too become partof air in motion. So, another theist argument bites the dust. 


The Impossible Bible: Stars fall from the sky! That'saccording to the Bible (Matthew 24: 29; Mark 13: 25; Revelation 6: 13). Nowperhaps the authors of the Biblical texts which claim this astronomical odditymight have been perhaps inspired by 'shooting stars' or meteor showers orisolated meteor impacts into our atmosphere. So astronomically ignorant peopleliving thousands of years ago could be excused for believing that stars were infact small and relatively close to Earth. But given how far away the starsactually are, we're in no real danger of stars (plural) falling to Earth. Andeven if one did, that would be the be-all-and-end-all for the actual existenceof the third rock from the Sun and the rest of the solar system would be in achaotic shambles as well.


The Impossible Bible 2: The Biblical warrior Joshua isassociated with commanding the Sun and the Moon to stand still in the sky as amilitary tactic (Joshua 10: 12-13). While the writers of the Book of Joshuacouldn't be expected to know that the Sun and the Moon move daily across thesky due to the rotation of the Earth on its axis (after all the Earth was thecenter of everything and stood still while everything else revolved around theEarth), we know differently today. For the Sun and the Moon to stand still inthe sky, the Earth would have to stop its rotation. The Earth would have tostop on a dime. Anyone who knows anything about physics knows about momentumand angular momentum. The obvious example we're all familiar with is that ifyou slam on the brakes to try to stop your 60 mph car on a dime, you're goingto be thrown forwards. And when you go from standing still to 60 mph as rapidlyas possible, you are thrown backwards. Given the mass and rotational velocityof Planet Earth, going immediately to zero mph would toss everything not tieddown into high up into the atmosphere if not launched directly into spaceitself. The G-forces alone would have killed everyone including Joshua. In factthe Earth itself might even have torn itself apart due to the forces involved.No matter how you slice and dice things, how you crunch the numbers, ifJoshua's story was true, you wouldn't now be here. And by the way, no othersociety reported any such an anomaly. It never happened.


The Impossible Bible 3: Jonah has a whale-of-a-tale to betold, and tell it he does (Jonah 1: 17; Jonah 2: 1-10). If you swallow agoldfish (an actual fad at one time) the goldfish doesn't survive to be passedout of the other end alive and well and swimming, a passing which would takeless than three days to happen, three days being the time of Jonah's ordeal. Soconversely, if a very, very large goldfish or just a very, very large plainfish or even a marine mammal of any kind (like an actual whale) were to swallowyou, you're not going to get out of that predicament following three daystherein and live to tell the tale. The Jonah story is just a whale-of-a-tale,the sort of a story that fishermen (and women) tell all of the time, like aboutthe one very, very large fish that got away.


Noah's Ark: If you compare and contrast Ken Ham'slife-sized (one to one ratio) recreation of Noah's Ark (in Williamstown, Kentucky)with the data given in Genesis for the actual creation of Noah's Ark, you havesuch a vast gulf that the Biblical account has to be nonsense. The vast amountof man-hours required to build Ken Ham's Ark dwarfs anything relative recordedin Genesis. The highly advanced technologies required to construct Ken Ham'sArk dwarf anything that was available to Noah. The same applies to the energysources available to Ken Ham versus what was available to Noah. The cost ofbuilding Ken Ham's Noah's Ark (over one hundred million dollars) was soover-the-top relative to the real cost of building the Ark that the real Arkwould have been unaffordable to Noah and his relatively few family members.


Noah's Ark 2: Compare and contrast the size (area)required and the number of animals housed and the number of staff needed tolook after said animals in 1) Noah's Ark and 2) a typical animal park or zoo.The Ark had more animals housed into less volume and looked after by less staffrelative to any animal park or modern zoo. A typical or average zoo only hasseveral hundred animals, hundreds of staff and covers a large number of acres.Noah's Ark had 2 (or sometimes 7) of EVERY animal and only 8 staff? Somethingis screwy somewhere.


Noah's Ark 3: While there have been many flood myths,those myths aren't universal nor do they all happen at the same time. It wouldalso appear therefore that the Biblical flood event was just plagiarized fromthe Epic of Gilgamesh which had a near identical scenario enacted. The remainsof Noah's Ark, despite many alleged finds, haven't ultimately ever been found.The remains of Noah's Ark is missing in action. And how did a 600 year old man- not 600 years of age - along with his 100 year old sons, construct the Arkand take care of all of the millions of animal species that inhabit Planetearth? Finally, how did the platypus or the kiwi bird or the buffalo get to theMiddle East - and get back home again?


The End Times: Christian theists, especially right-wingfundamentalists or evangelists like former congresswomen Michele Bachmann orex-convict Jim Bakker, who are among a seemingly endless supply of SecondComing fanatics, keep preaching that the End Times are (nearly) here and thatJesus is coming back with all of the associated baggage that goes along withEnd Times prophecies and the Book of Revelation.


*Firstly,there is no independent non-Biblical source that testifies that Jesus had anysupernatural powers at all. If Jesus existed he was mortal and thus he's dead.Thus no resurrection and thus no Second Coming. Each and every time the SecondComing is nearly at hand, Jesus has been a no show. Why, because Jesus is DEAD,that's assuming Jesus even existed in the first place, and not all scholarsagree on that, although I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. However,IMHO, the real Jesus was just another self-deluded mortal, albeit a charismaticfigure, who attracted a following (that's gotten out of hand and out ofcontrol) and was given the death penalty for his troubles. Now ifarchaeologists were to uncover and verify and date a stone stele (orequivalent) that had inscribed the words that "Jesus of Nazareth will givea free public sermon on the topic of his divinity and the End Times on Tuesdayafternoon at 3 P.M. at the Public Square, and perform miracles upon request.All are welcome to attend" - well that would put the Biblical cat amongthe doubting pigeons. Alas, no such object (or equivalent) has yet to be found.


*Secondly according to Biblical texts, the Second Comingshould have happened within the lifetime of many who actually knew and heardJesus, so a resurrected Jesus has either overslept or forgot to set hisheavenly alarm clock.


*Thirdly, the geopolitical conditions required for theSecond Coming (i.e. - wars, rumors of war, earthquakes, etc.) have been presentand accounted for ever since there ever was a concept of the Second Coming.


*Fourthly, if I had a fiver ($5bill) for each and every time someone, even Biblical scholars, not to mentionhordes of televangelists, fundamentalists, extreme right-wing End Timesfanatics (like Michele Bachmann) and related and often self-proclaimed prophets(like Cindy Jacobs) predicted the imminent return of Jesus, the Second Coming,the rapture, etc., then the tax man would be very happy, my bank manager wouldbe very happy, and I would be very happy and very, very rich. Despite thousandsof predictions that the End Is Nigh, there's been a 100% failure rate in the EndTimes actually coming to pass which inspires zero faith in today's right-wingfundamentalists. I can put absolutely no faith in Christian theists who keependlessly prophesizing the immediate "Second Coming" of Jesus whenall the prophecies (tens of thousands of them) of the Second Coming have todate been 100% wrong. My knees will bow down due to arthritis way before Jesusreturns!


*Inconclusion, the odds that Jesus will return, that Second Coming, is about aslikely as my winning the lottery twenty times in a row. It ain't happened inthe past; it's not happening now; it won't happen in the future - foreseeableor long term. In fact if it ain't happened by now it ain't ever gonna happen.


Complexity: Life, the Universe and everything (LUE) isjust so absolutely complex that it is obvious only an omniscient and omnipotentdeity (i.e. - God) could have created this! No, sorry theists, it's not obviousat all! Firstly, what is, or is not complex is just plain relative. What oncewas complex might now be less complex. What's complex to Person A may not becomplex to Person B.


*What powered the Sun to make it last billions of yearswas once a complex question that eluded answering until the discovery ofnuclear fusion, then everything fell into place. What powers the Sun is nowtaught in high school.


*A radio would have been considered highly complex,complexity personified, back in Biblical times, but millions of kids have nowbuilt crystal radio sets and a radio is no longer considered complex. It's awell understood piece of technology.


*Sickness isn't quite the complex hit-or-miss issue itused to be - as in back in Biblical times with spirits and demons acting inunpredictable ways - now that we have the germ theory of disease and modernantibiotics and other medications. 


*I personally find the whole business of computerhardware and software and programming and connections (i.e. - the Internet) tobe a vastly complex subject of which I have little actual understanding, butnot so to actual computer experts. And therein lies the rub. If you studysomething long enough and hard enough then complexity gives way tounderstanding and eventually to relative simplicity. Quantum mechanics, generaland special relativity, higher mathematics, even medicine aren't as complex tothe experts who study these areas relative to those who don't. The list couldbe extended almost indefinitely. 


Complexity 2: So, is LUE really complex? The other sideof that coin is compared to what? If we had other examples of LUEs to compareand contrast our LUE to then we would be in a much better position to stateexactly how complex our LUE really is. You can't tell how complex our LUEreally is without a comparison. You can't tell how typical something is from astatistical sample of one. 


Design and Fine-Tuning: Theists like to claim that Goddesigned a bio-friendly Universe. The Cosmos is finely-tuned for life, andegocentric as we are, for human life (though if God created us then He wouldhave done so in such a way as to fit His cosmic design and not designed thecosmos to fit us since it was cosmos first; humans second). But in any event,99.9999% of the Universe is not well designed for life (as we know it). It'seither too hot or too cold or too wet or too dry or too much a vacuum orthere's too much pressure or it's all too toxic, etc.  


Design and Fine-Tuning 2: As with the topic oncomplexity, we can only ascertain exactly how designed and fine-tuned the (our)Universe actually is only by comparing and contrasting our Universe to otheruniverses; being as other examples; being as other possibilities. Since we haveno other universes as examples, as possibilities that we can examine, we're notin any actual position to say exactly how designed and fine-tuned our own Universeactually is, far less say that God done it.


Design and Fine-Tuning 3: The human body is not a finelydesigned and tuned bio-machine I don't care what Genesis says about God'screation of Adam and Eve. While there is nothing patently absurd about thedesign of the human body as explained by Mother Nature acting via the unplannedand unpredictable forces that govern natural selection, any Bioengineering 101student worthy of his or her academic salt could of done a hell of a lot betterjob of designing from scratch the human body. God's design of the human body isa near total failure.


*While we get two of a lot of the essentials like eyesand ears and lungs and kidneys - even two brains (the left and righthemispheres) - we only get one heart, even though heart disease / failure isright up there in being the ultimate death of us.


*Our immune system is good but not great. Lots ofviruses, bacteria and multicellular parasites can harm and even kill us. Youonly have to watch something like "House, M.D." to get a handle onthe thousands of things that can go wrong, go wrong, go wrong with humananatomy and physiology. 


*Our body can turn on itself with dozens of types ofcancers. No part of the body is immune from become cancer-ridden. The phrase"find a cure for cancer" has been around for yonks’ and researchershaven't totally cracked that cancerous nut yet.


*And how about all those unnecessary body parts liketonsils, the appendix, a vestal tail, etc.


*And if God doesn't care for male foreskins, why did Hecreate males with foreskins?


*The waste elimination and reproductive systems shouldn'tb cheek-by-jowl and there shouldn't be a shared common passage used for botheating / drinking and breathing.


*One of the biggest flaws is our two-legged bipedalstatus without even the benefit of a balancing tail (like birds or kangaroos, etc.have). As a result, we are balanced as it were on a knife's edge, ever prone totrip and fall or just plain lose our balance and break bones and cause internalbleeding, etc. Accidental falls are one of the most common ways we hurtourselves. Any 4-legged or 6-legged or even 8-legged animal is far betterpositioned for stability, not to mention centipedes and millipedes. It's hardto knock those dudes over!


*Teenage males have way, way, way too much testosteronein them.


*And what's the point of balding? Or wrinkles? 


Design and Fine-Tuning 4: So who or what designed andfine-tuned the designer and fine-tuner? If a computer program has a computerprogrammer; if a building has a designer (an architect) and a builder(tradesmen) - collectively a creator (a building-maker); and if the Earth hadan Earth-maker and if heaven had a heaven-maker (Genesis 1: 1), and we callthat maker "God", and on the premise that everything that begins toexist (computer program, building, Earth, heaven) has a cause (i.e. - God),then who or what was the God-maker and in turn the maker of the God-maker, andso on down the line unto an infinite regression? You don't get away with theblatant assertion that God and only God doesn't have a cause. That's a case ofspecial pleading based on exactly zero evidence and even less logic. And evenif God didn't have a cause then you still have an infinity problem! 


Why is infinity a problem, or more specifically, why isthe concept of an infinite past of concern? Well according to some who make astudy of mathematical philosophy, if there is such a thing as an infinite past,that is a past that has no temporal endpoint, then it is literally impossibleto ever get to this, the present moment or "now". To them, noteven God can have existed forever and ever before creation LUE, and you can'thave an infinite regress of gods creating gods creating gods creating gods. Butif you eliminate gods, then you're still stuck with an infinite past becausethe First Law of Thermodynamics states that matter / energy cannot be creatednor destroyed. Therefore, matter / energy has always existed and thus therestill is an infinity problem with respect to time. The flaw I believe lies withthe idea that a past that has no temporal endpoint, making it literallyimpossible to ever get to this, the present moment or "now". Mysolution is no matter where you are on a timeline, even a timeline with noendpoints, you exist in that timeline in the present moment or "now".You don't have to travel forward in time in order to get to the present moment.

Science librarian; retired.

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